tillia 2 years, 2 months ago said: Vent..Copying Recipes I just read a recipe last night in a national magazine, that I just recieved yesterday. It was in a magazine that had ordinary contributors, just like us. Today, I see "that womans" same exact, word for word recipe, including the same picture from the magazine, posted here, as a new recipe, (from a different person from another state, with nothing similar in their bio's.). To the person who "shared" their so called recipe..., you could have given the woman who created it some sort of credit. Additionally, please your brain. We all are foodies. We all probably recieve the same mags/books, etc. I am sure that others noticed also.
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Happens all the time... Nothing can be done... nada, zip, zilch! You will have a stroke if you try to fix it. I agree they should give credit. I just found one of MY recipes on line ... nope, they did not steal it. Someone gave me the recipe and I posted it... woops. I have been meaning to go and fix it, but figured why? Should I? Give me imput on that one! LOL Friends are always sending me recipes... everyday... email with me having no idea where they came from. Most of the time they say... but this one, she said it was hers! Double WOOPS!
msamethyst1 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes I noticed a similar situation recently as well. A direct copy of a post including the photo from one of my favorite recipe blogs less than 24 hours after the original blog posting. I am 100% positive the poster here is not the blogger who created the recipe. I went to review the Terms of Service and it is a clear violation. I emailed Kristopher but now discover he is MIA so don't expect much to happen. I have no issue if a poster gives proper credit but it's the blatant plagiarism that I am disheartened by. Would love to see some moderators here to address such issues. If we allow the behavior to persist we are all guilty by association.
crystalwaters 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Agreed. There's been voluminous discussion on this topic on various threads and nothing is being done about it, and I'm not even sure anything CAN be done to put a halt to this graceless activity. Despite serious concerns about this, I'm at a loss as to a solution for this situation. Perhaps one doesn't exist ... I mean, how can you possibly stop someone from committing plagiarism, especially when we are all here "incognito", under assumed names, and perhaps even some are multiple registrants? I'm only glad I'm not the one who's ultimately responsible for the ensuing mess.
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes There are a lot of copies here from Better homes, Southern Living and a few others with their photos... and at the bottom of some of their pages... is the 'magic c in the circle'. That is a federal crime, if anyone wanted to use it. And you might be here under a assumed name, but if the feds wanted to find you.... your computer leaves an address everytime you sign on.... it leaves a trail.. If your getting on from a cyber cafe or a public area...you might be OK... but from home... your nailed... Bookem Dano!
borinda 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Unless the publications want to spend the legal fees to chase after recipe plagerists nothing is going to happen. My guess is that once they make their circulation money they do not particularly care, anyway., to pursue the matter I also think what we all object to is the tackiness of misrepresentation of people claiming recipes as their own which we all are observant enough to know is not remotely true.
As my daughter tells our dog... "liar, liar, pants en fuego." (liar, liar, pants on fire) To the tacky ones - our utter disrespect. To the genuinely creative and those honest enough to attribute where their posts are from we send our respect and admiration.
This is just like any other microcosm of the good, evil, and middling members of society.
crystalwaters 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Very poignant observations and comments from Borinda, as usual. Bravo!
tillia 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Thank you for all of your replies. Venting doesn't work w/o sharing. I feel better. I am just so grateful that I did not see "her" replying here tonight. It may have gotten ugly. Borinda...I am going to cut, copy and paste your words...WELL SAID, and it needs to be repeated "To the tacky ones - our utter disrespect. To the genuinely creative and those honest enough to attribute where their posts are from we send our respect and admiration". (From Borinda)
chefjeb 2 years, 2 months ago said: why not? When you see a recipe obviously plagiarized, why not make a comment below the recipe? "This exact recipe was posted at XXXX yesterday." Or, " I saw this exactg recipe at XXXX. You should have given them credit." Of course, some people have no shame, but this is a growing problem.
lollya 2 years, 2 months ago said: honestly... i want to start out by saying that this isn't directed as an attack at tillia or jeb or crystal or anyone else above. ni'm just trying to be honest and alleviate the anger and frustration. (probably won't work - i was once annoyed as hell at this myself) but here goes:
I don't think some people know the seriousness around it, or why people are jumping down their throats. they don't know why people are offended. i really don't think most are deliberate when they 'borrow' someone's recipe - so, with that said, i think we all could be a tad bit more accepting that not everyone here is deeply involved in the cooking community, nor do they most likely know copyright issues etc. sure, it's not a great thing, but if people who do know it's plagarized, know that it is, then all is good with the world - don't revisit their pages. You can tell who is reputable on here, usually by the complexity or originality of their recipe.
sometimes i just can't handle the pettiness. this is not something that is going to go away. we are all here for different reasons. i'm here to post recipes that i've created or adapted to make them my own. it makes me feel proud to come up with something that pertains to me and post it for other people. some people come to catalogue their recipes for family and friends. some people come here and post a great new recipe they found in cooking light or real simple. let's be straight about this. you can identify who you are and what you are bringing to this site through your bio. you can give credit where it's due - or not. the only way some people will know it is wrong is with a friendly note perhaps- but maybe not. maybe they are okay with what they are doing. maybe the true author will be pissed or not. does it REALLY matter? (it could if someone decides to sue you - but they might just ask you to give credit or take it down) is it really affecting you so much that instead of coming here and enjoying yourself you'd rather come in here time and time again and throw stones at people who probably don't know it because they aren't aware of this board yet.
this same debate has been going on for MONTHS in here.
sorry, haven't had my coffee. not being snarky. just trying to ease this. it just bums me out to see it.
lollya 2 years, 2 months ago said: again... just want to reitterate i am truly being genuine and not trying to protect these people, but maybe we can just kindly let them know? i really don't think they know they are offending anyone.
unsnarky lollya
borinda 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Chefjeb -- that idea of posting the plagerism comment is such a fun one. I can really get into that if I care to spend the time. Then again, another fine quote from my daughter the bard, "Mom, you are a lazy-ass." Odds are I'd not bother but think it!
lollya 2 years, 2 months ago said: did i spell reiterate wrong. shoot. never fear, on way to make coffee.
tnacndn 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes I agree whole heartedly with Lollya....very well said!!!!!!!!!!!!
crystalwaters 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Never fear, Lollya, you spelled reiterate correctly (from your resident spell-checher lol!). Do enjoy your coffee; I'm enjoying mine, and the comments as well. The recent posts are at least not just rants; they are well thought out and well written ~ even before the java jolt!
lollya 2 years, 2 months ago said: muah thanks for being so understanding of my state-of-mind. (did i do that one right?) i guess today i woke up and for the first time just really want to see people assume better, than worst of people. i'm sick of seeing people that way myself. most people do care to strive to do good i think.
tillia 2 years, 2 months ago said: re: vent 1) Jeb.. Great idea. Address it on that site. Lollya's concern that they may not be aware of their error, will be addressed at the same time. 2)Lollya.. I too try to see the good in people and not let things like that get to me. It was really just a timing issue. The same time I saw it in the mag, the day the mag was delivered,I saw it and the pic verbatim on this site. I guess the kicker for me was the mag described how she reworked the recipe several times to make it work etc... It just didn't seem fair to her. So... 3) I go back to Jebs idea ..address it on that site.
tinymango 2 years, 2 months ago said: "copying" recipes. i have posted recipes from other people's blogs and magazines that i wanted to share with everyone else and ALWAYS give credit.
don't we all have recipes that aren't created by us? jeez, even some of our mothers' prize cake recipes are out of sunset magazine, southern living, etc etc.
this is about sharing recipes. good recipes can come from any source. i seriously doubt that most peoples' recipes on this site are 100% made by them.
and actually, the law states that ny recipe that is published is not actually copyrighted. once a recipe is published, it becomes public domain. meaning that a restaurant can use a recipe out of bon apetit recipe and it isn't infringement, let's not forget anthologies of recipes from many different sources.
our mothers and our mothers' mothers carefully copied down recipes from better homes and gardens and the joy of cooking cookbook on recipe cards to use at bakesales and on our families, and then later to be traded with friends at bridge parties and passed down to us as cherished heirlooms. is this infringement? i think this site is an updated version of this tradition, of sharing recipes that are tried and true for us, despite the source.
pointsevenout 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes I'm hitting the (cook) books again, looking up a recipe for a new cooking friend. And there it was, right in the beginning of the book, a blurb about having to get permission from the publishers before reprinting any of the recipes in any form. I thought those recipes in the book belonged to me because I purchased them. Apparently the publisher doesn't think so. And giving credit is not enough.
Think I saw some food police skulking around my place, hiding behind trees, watching, waiting. I fired off a letter to the publishers for permission to reproduce as to not run afoul of those recipe regulators.
tnacndn 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Three cheers for tinymango.....very very well said!!!!!!!!!!
borinda 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes There is a grace is crediting whom and where we find our recipes. To not them. i.e. my mother's adult ed course for the Roslyn Sour Cream Cake, as aided by our Vivian and Gale Gand's Black and White Brownies which I've shared is really rude. Hey, if my neighbor gives me a recipe I'd want to share with all of you I'd credit her, too. The idea is to indicate the source and not come off looking like a plagerizing person who's taking credit for others' talent and creativity. Chefmeow has now explained her oodles of posts are from her addiction to buying old cookbooks and thinking their recipes sound good and some of us may want to try them. For some I am curious which old book they are from, it would be interesting to know - maybe I'd like to buy it, too, if I could locate a copy.
Think of giving credit to our sources as another tool of sharing great recipes. If I keep trying posts from Southern Living perhaps I'll subscribe to that magazine, too, just like those who are already enjoying it.
How about thinking of this simple effort as a public service? Would that approach make you happy and the rest of us happy and comfortable, too?
tinymango 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes you're not attempting to make any money on the recipe, or planning on including it in a book, so it isn't copyright infringement. this is considered a private usage, as we're sharing the recipes with a community, our friends, not trying for a profit.
anyways, i don't think it shows a lack of concern for others to post recipes we enjoy on a website. were it me, i would be highly flattered to see my recipe posted on the web, were i given credit for it. (i don't condone passing others' recipes off as your own.) i seriously doubt that anyone is going to come knocking on your door with intent to sue you over a recipe posting on a free of charge food social network.
point blank, let's communicate our adoration of food and good company through the recipes that we cherish, no matter their source and agree that we should all give credit where credit is due.
tinymango 2 years, 2 months ago said: a little more clarification on recipe copyright infringement. "First, mere listings of ingredients as in recipes, formulas, compounds or prescriptions are not subject to copyright protection. However, where a recipe or formula is accompanied by substantial literary expression in the form of an explanation or directions, or when there is a combination of recipes, as in a cookbook, there may be a basis for copyright protection.
It is worth spending a moment to discuss what is meant by "substantial literary expression." In copyright law there is a prohibition against protecting even original expression if there is only a limited number of ways to convey said expression. This has significant impact for recipes as well. Simply listing generic steps or directions cannot, in my opinion, be protected. So a recipe that lists the ingredients and then says "mix together, pour into pan, put into oven at 350" seems to me to lack "substantial literary expression." Of course, the more originality that is infused the more likely some copyright protection will exist, but taking the component pieces of a recipe is no violation.
It is also worth spending a moment to discuss copyright protection for compilations. While you could copy a recipe from a book, copying the entire book would violate the copyright in the book, which is a compilation. Protection under the copyright law extends only to “original works of authorship” that are fixed in a tangible form (a copy). “Original” means merely that the author produced the work by his own intellectual effort, as distinguished from copying an existing work. Important for our discussion here is an understanding that the originality requirement is very low indeed. It is enough originality to take unprotected component pieces and arrange them in an original fashion. The book itself would be entitled to an arrangement copyright but the component pieces would not be protected. Therefore, you could copy a recipe but not copy and republish the entire book. The book is what would be protected, not the individual component pieces."
http://www.ipwatchdog.com/recipes.html
hope this clears things up a bit.
pointsevenout 2 years, 2 months ago said: tinymango It's funny. I read your bio. It says you are a beginner cook but later on it says you cook for a living. : ) I suspect you are a lawyer given your last two posts.
I was hoping that, and pretty much suspected that individual recipes could be lifted for personal use and spread around without violating any laws. But then there was that blurb about reproducing recipes at the beginning of my books, being very specifically unspecific in nature about lifting individual recipes or the entre volume. Leads one to believe that even a single recipe lifted is a violation.
I would never attempt to copy an entire volume of recipes. It's intuitavely obvious that it is wrong. I sent them the letter anyway. Maybe those people were revenuers hiding behind the trees. We've got them here too. Going to have to check on my still in a couple of days. ; D
I always try to credit the original author. I have some of my original recipes in here too. Maybe a recipe has slipped by without me giving proper credit. Please don't pound sand up my posterity because of it.
tinymango 2 years, 2 months ago said: how funny... i actually studied pre-law intensively for two years before i discovered that i hated law and politics and actually loved food. i have been cooking professionally for the past four years of my life. and attended school for cooking for a year. (i intend on continuing my culinary arts education further this year, as well) however, i consider myself a beginner. many people in my industry have been doing it for 10, 20 years. thus, i classify myself as a novice, despite my slight experience and grasp of basic culinary skills. and will until i (maybe) one day realize my dream of becoming a master chef.
anyhow, i wasn't really directing any of my conversations specifically at you, but more in the general direction of the dissenters on this board who seem to believe that it is sacrilege to post a recipe that is not your own. however, i think that that's half the fun of compiling a recipe repertoire is to have some from friends, family, magazines, cookbooks, and of course- originals. i hope everyone can agree to this and stop bashing those who post recipes that aren't 100% theirs. i think it could also be helpful to post recipes in popular cooking magazines so that people who were thinking of trying it might be able to glean helpful tips and advice, clarifications, and addendums that could help them troubleshoot in the cooking process. if you can't tell, i feel strongly about this.
of course i realize everyone knows that duplicating an entire published work is inherently wrong :)
i think you meant to use the word "posterior?" not "posterity.
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Question here.... I have recipes I have posted on here that were clipped YEARS AGO, out of a magazine... no note saying which magazine.. who do I credit? I have recipes I have posted that were copied from a cookbook YEARS AGO... again... no note saying which... It was just something that caught my eye at the time... And that was WAY before internet! Who do I credit? I have found some on these SAME recipes on other sites.... so I guess they had done the same... So how do you solve that one? Throw them away because I can not tell you who's who? Or share?
Did I say that correctly? Get the idea? Sometimes it really does not matter!
sweetwords 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Well, I don't think he'd want his posterity to have sand pounded up them, either!
pointsevenout 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes I chose the word purposefully so as not to offend those with virgin ears, also it won't hurt so much when I'm dead, I hope. : ) Just the same, everyone got the gist of my meaning and the word wasn't even spelled wrong. : D
A generic disclaimer can be issued when the author is not known. Gleaned from a mag, lifted from a book, remembered from 1914, author unknown, etc.......
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Point... is that geriatric or generic? LOL! I am old... but not from 1914! LOL
tnacndn 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes I think Points has already checked his/her moonshine still and has tested it a bit too much. hahahahaha hey why don't you share that recipe with us Points? I will post my great grandpappy's shine recipe if you post yours and we will see who can spell the any words right then. heeheehee
dancegypsy67 2 years, 2 months ago said: I am so impressed I have to admit...I really was afraid to come into this thread. But I am truly impressed...there's been discussion, education, no finger pointing, no apparent feelings getting hurt...wow. :)
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said: Dance Impressed Dance.... we are evolving? Learning to walk on our hind feet. We can talk or chat or discuss without pointing fingers, well most of the time! Besides, were not here to hurt people or act superior . We can be good when we want! LOL!!!!!!!
And Dance... you afraid? Not! RALMAO!
coffeebean53 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Linda let's see you walk on your hind feet after getting into Point's and Gem's shine. I'll meet you at the still. LOL
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Am I hearing ,,, road trip...? Anyone else? I got shotgun!
dancegypsy67 2 years, 2 months ago said: LOL You should hear me yell at the computer screen some nights.
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Not you Dance.. I have been know to flip mine off! Sorry people!
tillia 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes I agree we all post recipes that are not our own by all rights. They are from family and friends, and long ago clippings, which we have reworked, or not, because they are great as is. That is understandable, acceptable, and expected in this endeavor. We can not give credit when it is not known where to give it to. This was not the case.
Please note that my my original intent on this vent was to point out the blatent misususe of someone elses work w/i hours of publication. It was an exact copy of the page from the magazine, and it just irritated me because it was personal to the person who made the recipe. The mag included a bio of her, and the work she did to make the recipe right. This was merely directed at the person on this site, who picked someting out of of national mag, found it on online and made it her own, on the same day of distribution. She didn't even have time to cook it. She just wanted to post here. Footnote: What drew me to the recipe in the first place was that it sounded fantasic, and I first saw it in the mag. I still am going to make it.
coffeebean53 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Tillia we all understand your point of view, however, you can only stir the pot so many times and let it simmer so long before it's time to take the pot off the stove so as not to overcook the dish.
Can we put this topic to rest for awhile. Going back to page 6 in this group there have been as many threads on this topic as there are pages. LOL Talk about duplicate recipes. LOL
eleven 2 years, 2 months ago said: why are we here? Sharing recipes does not have to mean sharing your own personal inventions every single time you post...obviously we are here to share ANY recipe that we have tried and liked enough to recommend to others. Giving credit? Well, if you can do, and if you can't, try not to worry about it. It's all about the food, isn't it? And the sharing? To me, someone who is here looking for a recipe is simply that....looking for a recipe. The regulars here make sure there are plenty of those on hand, be it first-hand, second-hand, or whatever. That's the main thing. Let's leave all the legalities where they belong: in the Court system! Any food police that have the time and energy to trace down someone's IP address, oh for heaven's sake!! That's just ridiculous.
BTW, I just encountered a GroupRecipes member's post at Chowhound, and thought that was pretty neat that we can trace each other around the internet if we keep the same user names. ;-)
lollya 2 years, 2 months ago said: ooooh was it me? heh. i love chow.
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Hummmmmm chow.... It was suggested to me by a member here that I might be happier there at chow... or one of the other sites.. Dang, I did not know what chow was.. gonna have to check it out!!! LOL Amazing how some think this is their own private site to rule as they wish! I feel the love!!! LOL
tnacndn 2 years, 2 months ago said: Chowhound OK Eleven and Lollya, ya'll have let the cat out of the bag.....What is Chowhound??? :o0
tnacndn 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes I meant :o)
lollya 2 years, 2 months ago said: chowhound chowhound is just another tool in the land of noshing sites. it's worth a check-out. it is different than group recipes - i love both sites for different reasons - but i post my recipes here because the system is well-rounded. kris has done a great job.
chefjeb 2 years, 2 months ago said: july 2007 better homes & gardens There are 10 recipes (and i quit counting) from the july 2007 better homes and gardens that were posted the day the magazine arrived. and photos also and no credit. LIke Cowboy ribeyes and ssummer salsa. Page 228. Like Smotherd Steak? Page 226. Like huli-huli pork? page 226. Like smoked salmon? page 230. Like GEne Mattiuzzo's mushroom chicken? Page 230. and on and on and on. Makes me wonder about the other recipes. Folks, that many from one edition should raise some eyebrows.
coffeebean53 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Chefjeb, Then quit counting. I did. I found that all the quibbling had my priorities turned around. Instead of coming in here to look for great tasting recipes for my family, I was looking at recipes to see if they had been copied from the latest newsletter in my mail box. Also I was checking the newsletters not for something for my family but for something that might have been copied here on this site. THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS!!!!
elle 2 years, 2 months ago said: coffeebean! You are right on the money. Isn't life too short to worry about who is posting what? Good Lord. If all I did was sit around nit-picking through every recipe to see if I could find it posted or published somewhere else, at the end of the day what would I have to show for it? NOTHING. Not a damned thing. Except a stiff neck and a cranky disposition.
Seriously, life is too short to waste time being so petty. Go out and do something fun! Enjoy the sun, take a walk, read a book, cook something delicious for the people you love. Life is over too quickly, folks.
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes You have to see the good side of all this as there is nothing we can do but piss everyone off by arguing about it. BUT... THE GOOD SIDE .... IS..... DRUM ROLL PLEASE!!! We don't have to go out and buy the magazine. If you know someone is doing this thank them for saving you money! Not saying this to be a smart ass but ENOUGH... I know who some are and I have quit going to their page... simple!
borinda 2 years, 2 months ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes How about a simple referral to Epicurious.com for Bon Appetit, Gourmet, and Wine and Food?
chefjeb 2 years, 2 months ago said: excuse me! Somebody taking a nationally published magazine supported by advertising and subscription revenue and posting the recipes as soon as the magazine is posted and taking credit for the recipes? What does this say about this site?And the people who are posting ? At least give the magazine credit for the recipe. Not the poster. Kris=-- you have a problem. These recipes were posted exactly. Down to the detail and the copyrighted pictures.
lollya 2 years, 2 months ago said: holy mother of mary. please please please cool it with the whole holier-than-thou crap. it's stuff like this that makes me want to leave. and i try to ignore it the best i can.
lollya 2 years, 2 months ago said: oh joy! never fear friends who messaged me - thank you. i was not threatening to leave - others have done that and i disagreed with that too i was just ticked off. take me for my words, lightly....i'm just tired. i couldn't sleep last night. it hit me at a sore spot. i'm just so tired of trying to talk to people only to have to see that it's never going to end. thing is - i agree with jeb on the stance of not giving credit where it's due - but damn delilah, i can't handle seeing it never end. we can't control others is what i'm dying to say - but then just realize i can't control other's anger or not being able to let er' buck. it's not right that people do it, but it isn't really wrong either. it's not malicious. cripes, we're just human. and this is just a recipe site.
i just wish that this thread was more about how to help a beta site grow into a loving and supportive community (that's the whole web designer in me though - i just got done starting a community online for a client) so this kinda eats at me. makes me feel sad when i think of what it's like to be on the creative side of this project and to see all the bickering and bitching.
jeb, i didn't mean it to come off as a personal attack - i just posted last and unfortunately it came right after yours. i also didn't explain my irritations. it was a general comment. course once the ol' head cooled i couldn't' edit it to make it better.
my bad.
but can we please please please just let them deal with it the way they see fit? it's THEIR site and they are aware of this. let it go.
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Hats off to lollya... I wish it would happen. I also agree about the giving credit... BUT... you can talk this till your blue in the face... make lots of people angry or ..... LET IT GO...
krumkake 2 years, 1 month ago said: Vent..Copying Recipes No comment - does that help? Thought you all needed a laugh after I read through this thread!!!!!
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes BRAHAHAHA....
eleven 2 years, 1 month ago said: yep, it was you, lollya I like it too. I joined. But I like this site better, the atmosphere is more suitable to my taste as a place to come to every day instead of just now and then. There are so many recipe sites, it would actually be a miracle if there weren't repeats and reprints of recipes. I just think it's kinda silly to waste precious time worrying about what is surely a harmless activity on the part of those who more than likely only want to share recipes that they have tried and liked, no matter where they came from. But then I don't have a lot of time to waste, so arguments like this frustrate me.
lollya 2 years, 1 month ago said: smooch thanks for dealing with inability to deal.
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said: Amazing... what you find when you read! I just noticed this at bottom of every page... I had never been there.. Until today...
I would think this settles all on copied recipes... if we follow the terms. ? Now if this is the case.... I think that all of us are quilty... I know I am.
COPIED FROM TERMS PAGE: here on Grouprecipes...
By posting or submitting any material (including, without limitation to, recipes, reviews, comments, photos and videos) to us through the Site, you are representing the following: (i) you are the owner of said material, or are making your submission or posting with the express consent of the owner of said material; and (ii) you are thirteen (13) years of age or older. Furthermore, when you submit or post any material, you are granting us, a royalty-free, unrestricted, irrevocable, non-exclusive, worldwide license to use, modify, copy, transmit, delete, profit from in such ways as, but not limited to, sale or display, create derivative works from, distribute, and/or publicly perform or display such material, in whole or in part, in any manner or medium, now known or hereafter developed, for any purpose, in perpetuity. The foregoing permission shall include the right to utilize any proprietary rights in such posting or submission, including, but not limited to, rights under copyright, trademark, or patent laws under any relevant jurisdiction.
If you are a copyright or trademark owner who believes your copyrighted or trademarked material has been posted, reproduced or distributed via the Site in a way that constitutes copyright infringement, please inform us by electronic mail at grouprecipes [a-t] gmail.com.
pointsevenout 2 years, 1 month ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes That is legal speak in a CYA move designed to protect the owners of this site on event of a legal proceeding.
borinda 2 years, 1 month ago said: the cited disclaimer What it also says is that this isn't the venue to post another's recipes and represent them as your own - yes? That was and is my interpretation of that disclaimer.
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes READ!
you are the owner of said material, or are making your submission or posting with the express consent of the owner of said material
READ!
Furthermore, when you submit or post any material, you are granting us, a royalty-free, unrestricted, irrevocable, non-exclusive, worldwide license to use, modify, copy, transmit, delete, profit from in such ways as, but not limited to, sale or display, create derivative works from, distribute, and/or publicly perform or display such material, in whole or in part, in any manner or medium, now known or hereafter developed, for any purpose, in perpetuity.
IF THEY SO WANTED.... THEY CAN SELL THESE RECIPES OR MAKE A RECIPE BOOK!
I would think this is great UNTIL!
READ!
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NOW FOR ALL OF U WHO SAY IT WON'T HAPPEN.....
We put together a cookbook through our American Legion.... had it all printed... then we found out we had the emblem on there without permission... THEY MADE US RIP IT OUT ON ALL 1,500 COOKBOOKS. infringement of their emblem... EVEN THOUGH THE $ WAS BEING RAISED FOR VETS!
lollya 2 years, 1 month ago said: well my biggest concern then is... my recipe being used in something produced by someone else. which i kind of figured anyway from the start. really kind of makes me want to hold onto my recipes and discoveries.
eleven 2 years, 1 month ago said: hmmm that's truly food for thought. Dang. Why does every silver lining have that stupid gray cloud on the other side???
tinymango 2 years, 1 month ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes first of all, whoever said that this is simply jargon to save the website's butt in court, if need be, that is correct. if any legal loophole or technicality came up, this would keep them out of it. it's a longshot, and i think that everyone knows that.
if a recipe is published, there is an implied consent that it can be republished, as long as the *ENTIRE* work, as it was orginally printed in a unique compilation, is not, (in its entirety- can i stress this enough) republished. however, individual recipes cannot be housed under a copyright law. ingredient lists are not copyrighted. and most recipe indstructions are considered generic, rendering them copyright-less as well. nothing illegal is going on. please refer to the whole picture in my previous posts.
pointsevenout 2 years, 1 month ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes This is getting to be a temptest in a teacup. Anyone or any entity who feels the need to keep their recipes a secret will not publish the recipes. And if forced to publish the contents by some governmental regulation, can claim proprietary information rights so as to protect their market share. Have you noticed the ingredients list of most products on the store do not have the exact quantities listed? They may have to divulge the generic ingredients name but not in exact mixture. The valuable recipes are coveted and protected. They just don't leak out for public consumption, except for the possibility of sabogage. And then maybe were going to court and all of these disclaimers start doing their job. Then again you can't stop someone from reverse engineering a recipe and publishing it. Look at all the copycat recipes.
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Point is right .....
Kentucky Fried.... protected Coke......................protected BUSH BEANS......protected Pepsi............. the list goes on.
What I don't understand is ... why we keep going over this. It's done. Some here have gone on others pages and left messages that someone else is a fraud... That must have made them feel good. We all knew, just never said. So this makes them the big man on campus now? My God.... get a life! fajlfjafjlaf;auowldsa.... I want to say so much more... but I think it falls on deaf ears!
eleven 2 years, 1 month ago said: someone did what? Some have posted messages on other's pages calling them frauds??? My lord. Let's get petty, why don't we. I agree, get a life!
Last word on subject. :-)
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes THANK YOU ELEVEN! I'm not friends with either partys... but ENOUGH.
bonzaichef 2 years, 1 month ago said: It's the crime of the century!! String em up the little blighters..!! Thousands are starving, the economic crisis in El Salvador is at an all time low, Flash floods in Africa & India, Ive got a spot on my arse the size of a Spanish onion...but no..someone copied a recipe & posted it here..It's outrageous, Im never gonna get a decent nights sleep again..Its a hideous crime...THE CRIME OF THE CENTURY..:-)) I do hope this clears this matter up for everyone..!!
elle 2 years, 1 month ago said: bonzai-- That certainly puts things in perspective, doesn't it? I'll agree with giving credit where it's due, sure...but this petty crap is just too much.
Want people to stop coming to your site? What will do it, recipes posted from other sites? No! Constant,childish, petty bickering and "snitching." "Teacher--she did this! " "He did that!" "Look what SHE posted!" "I'm teeellllliinnnngggg!"
GOD, this is behavior that even my 4 year old knows is annoying as hell!
Some people need to grow up and find something more productive to do. Who in the world has time to pick through recipes to find out if they can find them somewhere else online, or in a magazine?
Like bonzai said, there's enough nasty crap going on in the real world, why do we need to constantly keep going back to this one thing?
lollya 2 years, 1 month ago said: i heart bonzai and elle. muah!
elle 2 years, 1 month ago said: and you know what's even funnier? I think people that post tons of recipes just to be in the popular categories must need some sort of validation in their lives. Whether they're ignored at home, don't have a lot of friends, suffer from depression--whatever the case may be. I feel sorry for them that an online community may be the only place they feel like they can belong and fit in.
But the people that follow them around and criticize and constantly harass and belittle these people by leaving nasty comments are even sadder. In my opinion they have no idea that they are just as bad. Does it really make you happy to make another human being absolutely miserable over some recipes? Really? I would certainly hope these chefs don't teach their children this behavior. What if your child was in trouble at school for making fun of an overweight child, or a kid that doesn't have brand name clothing? Would you give him/her a pat on the back and say "Atta boy! You made that kid miserable! Way to go!"
I hope you wouldn't. Look at what you're doing and see if you'd approve of your kids acting the same way.
borinda 2 years, 1 month ago said: elle well said and how perversely fascinating is all of this b-s? I am just incredulous.
elle 2 years, 1 month ago said: borinda I know--it's like the car accident that slows down traffic. You just can't help looking, even though you know it's gonna be messy.
borinda 2 years, 1 month ago said: elle I am thinking about the "trainwrecks" of the news currently, why my daughter and I crack up over Perezhilton.com, and agree -- it's all tacky as can be but there just is that prurient little snoop inside making me peek!
thepiggs 2 years, 1 month ago said: Elle I think you've hit the nail on the head! This situation looks much like the bully on the playground situation. The bully thinks he can do anything and get away with it, leaving the victim in the dust. Maybe the bully should be expelled and maybe the playground will become peaceful again. Our community playground is for everyone, not those who think they are the elite. No class system here... Might makes right just isn't cutting it on here so we need to respect the others and leave them alone if their view are not our own, as we might be the person who is WRONG. Bug-her-off and leave people alone! Tired of arrogant food snobs on here.
elle 2 years, 1 month ago said: borinda-- We're only human, we can't help looking, lol.
elle 2 years, 1 month ago said: piggs-- It is bullying. I didn't know we had Recipe Police here who could run someone out of town if they don't like what's posted. The lack of respect and tact is appalling. If a recipe is crap, rate it low, comment on why it didn't work, and be done with it. But to constantly harass and bully someone is even worse. And to try to recruit other people to leave bad comments? That shocks me more than anything else. I just don't get it.
borinda 2 years, 1 month ago said: OK -- better idea Let's read tmz.com and perezhilton.com and just be tacky and not cranky. I can be remarkably happy being shallow and prurient when it's utterly impersonal.
Anyone care to dive into those murky waters, too? And most importantly, who's bringing the wine?
thepiggs 2 years, 1 month ago said: What does this say about this site? Someone asked this question....the same person who has endorsed going to posters' pages and flaming them for using published recipes. What I would say is this...it might not be the best thing to do but don't think for a moment that this is the only site with this problem. Others have found "borrowed" recipes at other sites so we aren't the only one. This person wants some of US to leave if we're not happy with this site but since this person seems to be the one who appears to be the most outraged with, it then maybe IT should be the one finding a new home for arrogant posts and cob waddling. Just leave the people alone. It's their site too, as this isn't an exclusive know-it-all chef's club. They haven't killed anyone or stolen national treasures, they've posted good recipes and that's it. At least their recipes are for delicious dishes that most of us would love to make, unlike several some recipes on here. Just give it a rest, chill and call the possee off.
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes I agree... I have rated some of those recipes in question! Made them and they were great.. I could care less where they came from. Like I have stated before.. I found a couple of mine on other sites... I did not know... beat me!
I put recipes on here from cookbooks... and will do so again. If someone does not like it--------------------- don't look! I have too many friends on here to worry about the little people who "WITCH" all the time. The good here is far better than the bad. I think enough have gathered here to get the point across to these people... STOP!
At first I was upset that it was being done... then I saw that it really did no harm and was more of a convience for all here.. I guess you live and learn... Sometimes you just have to "go with the flow"!
tnacndn 2 years, 1 month ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Well I guessdit's about time I put my two cents in. I'm going to post what I want when I want and give credit when credit is due. If no one wants to see the recipe, or if no one wants to make my recipe....I really don't give a flying flip, it won't make me loose a wink of sleep. I liked it or liked the way it sounded so I posted it. who ever doesn't like it .... I am just going to say...AGAIN....just give a click and go else where to thousands more recipes that you might like.
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes tnacndn.... AMEN... I totaly agree... UNLESS... U post Brussle sprouts and I won't like them! HAHAHAHAHA...
zena824 2 years, 1 month ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes tnacndn........Im with you too.... I dont give a flying flip either....somene has been giving my recipes 1's too....but I dont care.... doesnt bother me in the least....People can *witch* all they want about how simple a recipe is...doesnt matter to me ....
elle 2 years, 1 month ago said: zena It's just so unbelievable to me (though I know it's true) that adults do this sort of elementary school behavior.
You know the kind--"I'm mad at her/him, so you guys have to be, too, and we'll get together and pick on them."
It blows my mind, and I'd hope that most sane adults would've left this sort of behavior back in elementary school. Bullying sucks, no matter what age you are.
crystalwaters 2 years, 1 month ago said: Me Too I've also had some of my recipes downgraded from 5 forks to 1. Am I getting grey hair over it? Nah. Couldn't give a flying fish, to be honest. Grade school behavious exists throughout our lives. Whether we choose to acknowledge it or not speaks volumes not only about the character of those behind such behaviour, but also about our own. Shall we put this dog to sleep already, then? I think we've all wasted enough time on this subject. On to bigger and better things, like SHARING, CARING and MUTUAL SUPPORT. And cooking too, of course lol! :-)
zena824 2 years, 1 month ago said: Elle Elle... I totally agree with you too.....This totally blows my mind as well....People getting mad because some put in more recipes than others.... or they dont put in the type of recipes that they dont like to eat....or they copy recipes.... Life is too short to worry about crap like this....I dont like bringing this up but i will.... I came to this place because another foodie told me it would be a good place to come as my son was leaving for Iraq... a place to keep me busy.... have fun... meet new friends...and most of all to keep my mind off of my son.... and I was so so happy I had found such a place to go.... I wasnt here 3 weeks until I got lamblasted for trying to race with the top foodie here... which I wasnt trying to do.... i was just trying to keep my mind occupied.... none of us know what goes on in other peoples lives or why they come here to post recipes... come on people get a grip......there are more import things to *witch* about... I dont mean to offend.....
krumkake 2 years, 1 month ago said: Zena (or anyone else who cares) I'm back from vacation, and of course I had to come here to see what the latest was. I am glad to see that it appears this vent is fading out...it's LONG OVERDUE! As I've told many of you already, I came here to find recipes, share what I had, and talk to people who share my same passion for anything to do with the kitchen. As Borinda said, these threads are like a train wreck and I keep coming here to see what's going on, mainly out of curiousity, but also because I don't want to see someone leave this site over such nonsense. I am happy to see that this issue is finally becoming less "potent" (as happens to most threads once everyone has had a chance to vent, rant, praise, condemn, joke or condone). With nothing left to be said, it feels good to say "Goodbye, copying vent!"
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said: Krumkake... Welcome back!
borinda 2 years, 1 month ago said: hey Krummie -- you've been missed. . Can't wait to hear about the great vacation.
;-)
krumkake 2 years, 1 month ago said: Thanks! Thanks, Borinda and Linebb - it's good to be back in the GREAT United States of America!!!!!! The first thing Erin and I did was go to Wendy's and buy a 32 ounce diet coke for $1.89 - as Erin said "Just because we CAN", after a week of paying $4 to $5 for a 7ounce mini-bottle of Cola Light! Ahhhhh - there's no place like home...
zena824 2 years, 1 month ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Krum.... I remember that too from when I went to Germany last year....I couldnt wait to get home to have a coke with some ice in it.......
thepiggs 2 years, 1 month ago said: Coke, Ice Oh yes! I was just having a discussion with some friends in a chat group about NO ice in England and getting one cube when I asked for Ice in my COKE! Can't drink Coke without lots of ICE! They would have to live in the MIdwest or South to appreciate the need for ICE! LOL
krumkake 2 years, 1 month ago said: Coke, Ice Yeah, I guess since they charge $4 for a 7 ounce bottle of still water where we were, they figure their ice cubes are worth about a buck a piece!!!! Still a wonderful place to visit, but the pocketbook shock can be painful...
borinda 2 years, 1 month ago said: Exchange rate Funny that's what you choose to share with us is how weak the dollar is. In Ireland this June each coffee from Starbucks or local coffee shops was costly and oh, the price of meals. It's just our pathetic position in the international exchange rate situation. Friends are coming from overseas to visit and shop here soon to take advantage of US 'bargains." Not bargains to us but we're not shopping with their currency. If I could only figure out some method to work that system... hmmm....
PS they were generous with the ice in Ireland. :-)
zena824 2 years, 1 month ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes I found lots of bargins in Italy....in the Factories where they make the dishes...and alot of time they would give the Army buses the same rate as the dollar.... my problem was shipping all the stuff home....
keeperrox 2 years ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes I brought this up months ago and was scoffed at. I see nothing has changed. :(
crystalwaters 2 years ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes I don't see how you can possibly stop people from posting recipes copied from other sources ... keeperrox, do you have any suggestions on that front, or are you just venting?
linebb956 2 years ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Mercy... here we go again! Well for the past few days I have been busy posting recipes from the McCalls Recipe Card Collections, vintage... 1970's. Now I hope there is not a problem with this. I stated months ago I had these and the books and people requested the recipes on here. I don't think you will find them laying around every where.. and if they are on the net in a diffrent area.. well they prob have the same collection as I do. Before.. you post a scone... my God by the end of the week everyone is posting the same thing... We need to dig deep into our hordes... Check out Grannys recipes.. bring them out in the light.. What's old to them, is new to lots of us! Or brings back great memories... Amen... I'm done now... Linda
borinda 2 years ago said: suggestion: Perhaps we might move on already? It would be euthanasia of a talked out topic.
Has it not occurred to the complainers that it's so useless to complain in life unless you have a valid and reasonable fix for the situation? OK, we'd like anyone who posts a recipe from a source other than "Mom" or their imagination to credit it. Most of us seem really in tune with that one and do it. The big however, though, is that we do not control others, we;re here to enjoy this, and the whining just has gotten so ___ old.
MOVE ON< GET OVER IT< AND BE APPRECIATIVE THAT YOU HAVE THIS TERRIFIC SITE!!!
Linda, I'm coming over, I refuse to even check out this thread again in case it's gotten funny again.
linebb956 2 years ago said: Borinda borinda... does that mean to visit.. or a DRIVE BY? All the whining chaps my bunns! I can be funny but sometimes it is not appreciated! LOL Borinda... it is on a timed schedule... I swear... about every 2 weeks this floats to the top... My complaint is.... want to hear it? Let me know!
Linda
linebb956 2 years ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes I'm waiting
keeperrox 2 years ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes "keeperrox, do you have any suggestions on that front, or are you just venting?"
Yes, I do have a suggestion, which I have posted before:
Have a "Report this Recipe" button. If the recipe was copied without credit, and a link is provided to the original recipe by the reporter, the recipe gets deleted.
elle 2 years ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes The only thing dying a slow death is the enjoyment I used to get coming to this site. The petty nitpicking and bringing old threads to the top is getting so old, so fast.
tnacndn 2 years ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes I agree with Elle, The petty nitpicking and bringing old threads to the top is getting so old, so fast I'm going to say my fav line 1 more time and post directions for those who seem to not understand how to do it.. If you see a recipe that has been copied and you don't like....or....you see a recipe that doesn't fit into the foods you like...........there is this new invention...it is called a MOUSE. On the left side of this Mouse is a little button that can be pressed and it makes a "clicking" sound when it is clicked.......CLICK THE DAGGUM THING AND TAKE YOURSELF TO ANOTHER RECIPE FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
minkie 2 years ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Tnacndn and Elle - Good grief, I couldn't agree more! I remember a quite popular Chef who once claimed, "There ARE no new recipes, just revised recipes" and I tend to agree with that quite a bit. Get over it, hit the back button. I hit the back buttom much more frequently than the "save" button, lol.
zena824 2 years ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Totally agree with Elle and Tnacndn.......life's too short..
coffeebean53 2 years ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz huh????
julesong 2 years ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes "linebb956 1 month, 1 week ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Question here.... I have recipes I have posted on here that were clipped YEARS AGO, out of a magazine... no note saying which magazine.. who do I credit? I have recipes I have posted that were copied from a cookbook YEARS AGO... again... no note saying which... It was just something that caught my eye at the time... And that was WAY before internet! Who do I credit? I have found some on these SAME recipes on other sites.... so I guess they had done the same... So how do you solve that one? Throw them away because I can not tell you who's who? Or share? "
It's so simple to post recipes without violating copyright. The ingredients themselves are no problem. All you have to do is write the description in your own words. Then I rewrite the directions in my own words, as well - besides, there are almost always things I want to say about how I fixed it, myself, that I add in. And I usually re-title the recipe to something I like better.
Once those things are done - and they're so simple to do - you're not going to violate copyright by posting the recipe.
One last thing... I always credit where the recipe came from, if I know. Always. I use "this recipe adapted from" and so on. If you don't know where it's from (as in the unknown newspaper or magazine clipping), but you've rewritten the recipe description, directions, and title... no violation.
linebb956 2 years ago said: Julesong... On my comment: Question here.... I have recipes I have posted on here that were clipped YEARS AGO, out of a magazine... no note saying which magazine.. who do I credit? I have recipes I have posted that were copied from a cookbook YEARS AGO... again... no note saying which... It was just something that caught my eye at the time... And that was WAY before Internet! Who do I credit? I have found some on these SAME recipes on other sites.... so I guess they had done the same... So how do you solve that one? Throw them away because I can not tell you who's who? Or share?
Did I say that correctly? Get the idea? Sometimes it really does not matter!
I was stating that the recipes were old... Why would I want to change the instructions? I usually put the original, and then where I change it. I really don't like using current recipes from sites on the net... unless I change them COMPLETELY, meaning I use the idea of their recipe and change it including the ingredients. We all can go to other sites and copy current... we all can buy current cookbooks. I have a couple patti LaBelle cookbooks.. why waste the space on this site? You can get them else where.
My question was concerning the people on here, not the copyrights, these books are a long time out of print. I am concerned with getting along with people here, my friends. And setting and example for newcomers to this site..
Now this is just my opinion I am just saying here...
borinda 2 years ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes And now one and all... move on and get a life. Surely I know a number of us are thinking "they shoot horses, don't they?" re. this over-analyzed and rationalized and done to burning cinders discussion. What the devil happened to common sense and all other such good things?
linebb956 2 years ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes Thank U Borinda... I agree... I was only explaining my quote FROM OVER A MONTH ago... ARG! Good God, let the horse die.. everyone is going to do what they want anyway! Which they should.. I just wanted to state how I felt. Some need to read all the threads to see just how far these go back... sometimes I think BC! AND not just in this group... I guess if you don't get the answer you want you state it in another! Check out the Thanksgiving group.... I want to know what your having on your table this year....
Trying to turn the conversation here guys!
julesong 2 years ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes All I was doing was letting folks know how they can post their favorite recipes without violating copyright. I'd say that's pretty constructive, myself. :)
julesong 2 years ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes PS: Linebb956, sorry I quoted your message. Was just trying to be clear that people really *could* post recipes where they didn't know the source without violating copyright. Wasn't trying to say anything against your point.
linebb956 2 years ago said: RE: Vent..Copying Recipes I swear... somethings just won't die... I could care less ... enough... what does it take? The freakin horse is dead... can't you smell it? EVERYONE is tired of it... STOP! I could go on but... not wasting my time...
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tillia 2 years, 2 months ago said:
Vent..Copying Recipes
I just read a recipe last night in a national magazine, that I just recieved yesterday. It was in a magazine that had ordinary contributors, just like us. Today, I see "that womans" same exact, word for word recipe, including the same picture from the magazine, posted here, as a new recipe, (from a different person from another state, with nothing similar in their bio's.). To the person who "shared" their so called recipe..., you could have given the woman who created it some sort of credit. Additionally, please your brain. We all are foodies. We all probably recieve the same mags/books, etc. I am sure that others noticed also.
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said:
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Happens all the time... Nothing can be done... nada, zip, zilch! You will have a stroke if you try to fix it. I agree they should give credit. I just found one of MY recipes on line ... nope, they did not steal it. Someone gave me the recipe and I posted it... woops. I have been meaning to go and fix it, but figured why? Should I? Give me imput on that one! LOL Friends are always sending me recipes... everyday... email with me having no idea where they came from. Most of the time they say... but this one, she said it was hers! Double WOOPS!
msamethyst1 2 years, 2 months ago said:
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I noticed a similar situation recently as well. A direct copy of a post including the photo from one of my favorite recipe blogs less than 24 hours after the original blog posting. I am 100% positive the poster here is not the blogger who created the recipe. I went to review the Terms of Service and it is a clear violation. I emailed Kristopher but now discover he is MIA so don't expect much to happen. I have no issue if a poster gives proper credit but it's the blatant plagiarism that I am disheartened by. Would love to see some moderators here to address such issues. If we allow the behavior to persist we are all guilty by association.
crystalwaters 2 years, 2 months ago said:
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Agreed. There's been voluminous discussion on this topic on various threads and nothing is being done about it, and I'm not even sure anything CAN be done to put a halt to this graceless activity. Despite serious concerns about this, I'm at a loss as to a solution for this situation. Perhaps one doesn't exist ... I mean, how can you possibly stop someone from committing plagiarism, especially when we are all here "incognito", under assumed names, and perhaps even some are multiple registrants? I'm only glad I'm not the one who's ultimately responsible for the ensuing mess.
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said:
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There are a lot of copies here from Better homes, Southern Living and a few others with their photos... and at the bottom of some of their pages... is the 'magic c in the circle'. That is a federal crime, if anyone wanted to use it. And you might be here under a assumed name, but if the feds wanted to find you.... your computer leaves an address everytime you sign on.... it leaves a trail.. If your getting on from a cyber cafe or a public area...you might be OK... but from home... your nailed... Bookem Dano!
borinda 2 years, 2 months ago said:
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Unless the publications want to spend the legal fees to chase after recipe plagerists nothing is going to happen. My guess is that once they make their circulation money they do not particularly care, anyway., to pursue the matter I also think what we all object to is the tackiness of misrepresentation of people claiming recipes as their own which we all are observant enough to know is not remotely true.
As my daughter tells our dog... "liar, liar, pants en fuego." (liar, liar, pants on fire) To the tacky ones - our utter disrespect. To the genuinely creative and those honest enough to attribute where their posts are from we send our respect and admiration.
This is just like any other microcosm of the good, evil, and middling members of society.
crystalwaters 2 years, 2 months ago said:
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Very poignant observations and comments from Borinda, as usual. Bravo!
tillia 2 years, 2 months ago said:
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Thank you for all of your replies. Venting doesn't work w/o sharing. I feel better.
I am just so grateful that I did not see "her" replying here tonight. It may have gotten ugly.
Borinda...I am going to cut, copy and paste your words...WELL SAID, and it needs to be repeated
"To the tacky ones - our utter disrespect. To the genuinely creative and those honest enough to attribute where their posts are from we send our respect and admiration".
(From Borinda)
chefjeb 2 years, 2 months ago said:
why not?
When you see a recipe obviously plagiarized, why not make a comment below the recipe? "This exact recipe was posted at XXXX yesterday." Or, " I saw this exactg recipe at XXXX. You should have given them credit." Of course, some people have no shame, but this is a growing problem.
lollya 2 years, 2 months ago said:
honestly...
i want to start out by saying that this isn't directed as an attack at tillia or jeb or crystal or anyone else above. ni'm just trying to be honest and alleviate the anger and frustration. (probably won't work - i was once annoyed as hell at this myself) but here goes:
I don't think some people know the seriousness around it, or why people are jumping down their throats. they don't know why people are offended. i really don't think most are deliberate when they 'borrow' someone's recipe - so, with that said, i think we all could be a tad bit more accepting that not everyone here is deeply involved in the cooking community, nor do they most likely know copyright issues etc. sure, it's not a great thing, but if people who do know it's plagarized, know that it is, then all is good with the world - don't revisit their pages. You can tell who is reputable on here, usually by the complexity or originality of their recipe.
sometimes i just can't handle the pettiness. this is not something that is going to go away. we are all here for different reasons. i'm here to post recipes that i've created or adapted to make them my own. it makes me feel proud to come up with something that pertains to me and post it for other people. some people come to catalogue their recipes for family and friends. some people come here and post a great new recipe they found in cooking light or real simple. let's be straight about this. you can identify who you are and what you are bringing to this site through your bio. you can give credit where it's due - or not. the only way some people will know it is wrong is with a friendly note perhaps- but maybe not. maybe they are okay with what they are doing. maybe the true author will be pissed or not. does it REALLY matter? (it could if someone decides to sue you - but they might just ask you to give credit or take it down) is it really affecting you so much that instead of coming here and enjoying yourself you'd rather come in here time and time again and throw stones at people who probably don't know it because they aren't aware of this board yet.
this same debate has been going on for MONTHS in here.
sorry, haven't had my coffee.
not being snarky.
just trying to ease this.
it just bums me out to see it.
lollya 2 years, 2 months ago said:
again...
just want to reitterate i am truly being genuine and not trying to protect these people, but maybe we can just kindly let them know? i really don't think they know they are offending anyone.
unsnarky lollya
borinda 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Chefjeb -- that idea of posting the plagerism comment is such a fun one. I can really get into that if I care to spend the time. Then again, another fine quote from my daughter the bard, "Mom, you are a lazy-ass." Odds are I'd not bother but think it!
lollya 2 years, 2 months ago said:
did i spell reiterate wrong.
shoot.
never fear, on way to make coffee.
tnacndn 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
I agree whole heartedly with Lollya....very well said!!!!!!!!!!!!
crystalwaters 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Never fear, Lollya, you spelled reiterate correctly (from your resident spell-checher lol!). Do enjoy your coffee; I'm enjoying mine, and the comments as well. The recent posts are at least not just rants; they are well thought out and well written ~ even before the java jolt!
lollya 2 years, 2 months ago said:
muah
thanks for being so understanding of my state-of-mind. (did i do that one right?)
i guess today i woke up and for the first time just really want to see people assume better, than worst of people. i'm sick of seeing people that way myself. most people do care to strive to do good i think.
tillia 2 years, 2 months ago said:
re: vent
1) Jeb.. Great idea. Address it on that site. Lollya's concern that they may not be aware of their error, will be addressed at the same time.
2)Lollya.. I too try to see the good in people and not let things like that get to me. It was really just a timing issue. The same time I saw it in the mag, the day the mag was delivered,I saw it and the pic verbatim on this site. I guess the kicker for me was the mag described how she reworked the recipe several times to make it work etc...
It just didn't seem fair to her. So...
3) I go back to Jebs idea ..address it on that site.
tinymango 2 years, 2 months ago said:
"copying" recipes.
i have posted recipes from other people's blogs and magazines that i wanted to share with everyone else and ALWAYS give credit.
don't we all have recipes that aren't created by us? jeez, even some of our mothers' prize cake recipes are out of sunset magazine, southern living, etc etc.
this is about sharing recipes. good recipes can come from any source. i seriously doubt that most peoples' recipes on this site are 100% made by them.
and actually, the law states that ny recipe that is published is not actually copyrighted. once a recipe is published, it becomes public domain. meaning that a restaurant can use a recipe out of bon apetit recipe and it isn't infringement, let's not forget anthologies of recipes from many different sources.
our mothers and our mothers' mothers carefully copied down recipes from better homes and gardens and the joy of cooking cookbook on recipe cards to use at bakesales and on our families, and then later to be traded with friends at bridge parties and passed down to us as cherished heirlooms. is this infringement? i think this site is an updated version of this tradition, of sharing recipes that are tried and true for us, despite the source.
pointsevenout 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
I'm hitting the (cook) books again, looking up a recipe for a new cooking friend. And there it was, right in the beginning of the book, a blurb about having to get permission from the publishers before reprinting any of the recipes in any form. I thought those recipes in the book belonged to me because I purchased them. Apparently the publisher doesn't think so. And giving credit is not enough.
Think I saw some food police skulking around my place, hiding behind trees, watching, waiting. I fired off a letter to the publishers for permission to reproduce as to not run afoul of those recipe regulators.
tnacndn 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Three cheers for tinymango.....very very well said!!!!!!!!!!
borinda 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
There is a grace is crediting whom and where we find our recipes. To not them. i.e. my mother's adult ed course for the Roslyn Sour Cream Cake, as aided by our Vivian and Gale Gand's Black and White Brownies which I've shared is really rude. Hey, if my neighbor gives me a recipe I'd want to share with all of you I'd credit her, too. The idea is to indicate the source and not come off looking like a plagerizing person who's taking credit for others' talent and creativity. Chefmeow has now explained her oodles of posts are from her addiction to buying old cookbooks and thinking their recipes sound good and some of us may want to try them. For some I am curious which old book they are from, it would be interesting to know - maybe I'd like to buy it, too, if I could locate a copy.
Think of giving credit to our sources as another tool of sharing great recipes. If I keep trying posts from Southern Living perhaps I'll subscribe to that magazine, too, just like those who are already enjoying it.
How about thinking of this simple effort as a public service? Would that approach make you happy and the rest of us happy and comfortable, too?
tinymango 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
you're not attempting to make any money on the recipe, or planning on including it in a book, so it isn't copyright infringement. this is considered a private usage, as we're sharing the recipes with a community, our friends, not trying for a profit.
anyways, i don't think it shows a lack of concern for others to post recipes we enjoy on a website. were it me, i would be highly flattered to see my recipe posted on the web, were i given credit for it. (i don't condone passing others' recipes off as your own.) i seriously doubt that anyone is going to come knocking on your door with intent to sue you over a recipe posting on a free of charge food social network.
point blank, let's communicate our adoration of food and good company through the recipes that we cherish, no matter their source and agree that we should all give credit where credit is due.
tinymango 2 years, 2 months ago said:
a little more clarification on recipe copyright infringement.
"First, mere listings of ingredients as in recipes, formulas, compounds or prescriptions are not subject to copyright protection. However, where a recipe or formula is accompanied by substantial literary expression in the form of an explanation or directions, or when there is a combination of recipes, as in a cookbook, there may be a basis for copyright protection.
It is worth spending a moment to discuss what is meant by "substantial literary expression." In copyright law there is a prohibition against protecting even original expression if there is only a limited number of ways to convey said expression.
This has significant impact for recipes as well. Simply listing generic steps or directions cannot, in my opinion, be protected. So a recipe that lists the ingredients and then says "mix together, pour into pan, put into oven at 350" seems to me to lack "substantial literary expression." Of course, the more originality that is infused the more likely some copyright protection will exist, but taking the component pieces of a recipe is no violation.
It is also worth spending a moment to discuss copyright protection for compilations. While you could copy a recipe from a book, copying the entire book would violate the copyright in the book, which is a compilation. Protection under the copyright law extends only to “original works of authorship” that are fixed in a tangible form (a copy). “Original” means merely that the author produced the work by his own intellectual effort, as distinguished from copying an existing work. Important for our discussion here is an understanding that the originality requirement is very low indeed. It is enough originality to take unprotected component pieces and arrange them in an original fashion. The book itself would be entitled to an arrangement copyright but the component pieces would not be protected. Therefore, you could copy a recipe but not copy and republish the entire book. The book is what would be protected, not the individual component pieces."
http://www.ipwatchdog.com/recipes.html
hope this clears things up a bit.
pointsevenout 2 years, 2 months ago said:
tinymango
It's funny. I read your bio. It says you are a beginner cook but later on it says you cook for a living. : ) I suspect you are a lawyer given your last two posts.
I was hoping that, and pretty much suspected that individual recipes could be lifted for personal use and spread around without violating any laws. But then there was that blurb about reproducing recipes at the beginning of my books, being very specifically unspecific in nature about lifting individual recipes or the entre volume. Leads one to believe that even a single recipe lifted is a violation.
I would never attempt to copy an entire volume of recipes. It's intuitavely obvious that it is wrong. I sent them the letter anyway. Maybe those people were revenuers hiding behind the trees. We've got them here too. Going to have to check on my still in a couple of days. ; D
I always try to credit the original author. I have some of my original recipes in here too. Maybe a recipe has slipped by without me giving proper credit. Please don't pound sand up my posterity because of it.
tinymango 2 years, 2 months ago said:
how funny...
i actually studied pre-law intensively for two years before i discovered that i hated law and politics and actually loved food. i have been cooking professionally for the past four years of my life. and attended school for cooking for a year. (i intend on continuing my culinary arts education further this year, as well) however, i consider myself a beginner. many people in my industry have been doing it for 10, 20 years. thus, i classify myself as a novice, despite my slight experience and grasp of basic culinary skills. and will until i (maybe) one day realize my dream of becoming a master chef.
anyhow, i wasn't really directing any of my conversations specifically at you, but more in the general direction of the dissenters on this board who seem to believe that it is sacrilege to post a recipe that is not your own. however, i think that that's half the fun of compiling a recipe repertoire is to have some from friends, family, magazines, cookbooks, and of course- originals. i hope everyone can agree to this and stop bashing those who post recipes that aren't 100% theirs. i think it could also be helpful to post recipes in popular cooking magazines so that people who were thinking of trying it might be able to glean helpful tips and advice, clarifications, and addendums that could help them troubleshoot in the cooking process. if you can't tell, i feel strongly about this.
of course i realize everyone knows that duplicating an entire published work is inherently wrong :)
i think you meant to use the word "posterior?" not "posterity.
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Question here.... I have recipes I have posted on here that were clipped YEARS AGO, out of a magazine... no note saying which magazine.. who do I credit? I have recipes I have posted that were copied from a cookbook YEARS AGO... again... no note saying which... It was just something that caught my eye at the time... And that was WAY before internet! Who do I credit? I have found some on these SAME recipes on other sites.... so I guess they had done the same... So how do you solve that one? Throw them away because I can not tell you who's who? Or share?
Did I say that correctly? Get the idea? Sometimes it really does not matter!
sweetwords 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Well, I don't think he'd want his posterity to have sand pounded up them, either!
pointsevenout 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
I chose the word purposefully so as not to offend those with virgin ears, also it won't hurt so much when I'm dead, I hope. : ) Just the same, everyone got the gist of my meaning and the word wasn't even spelled wrong. : D
A generic disclaimer can be issued when the author is not known. Gleaned from a mag, lifted from a book, remembered from 1914, author unknown, etc.......
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Point... is that geriatric or generic? LOL! I am old... but not from 1914! LOL
tnacndn 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
I think Points has already checked his/her moonshine still and has tested it a bit too much. hahahahaha hey why don't you share that recipe with us Points? I will post my great grandpappy's shine recipe if you post yours and we will see who can spell the any words right then. heeheehee
dancegypsy67 2 years, 2 months ago said:
I am so impressed
I have to admit...I really was afraid to come into this thread. But I am truly impressed...there's been discussion, education, no finger pointing, no apparent feelings getting hurt...wow. :)
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said:
Dance Impressed
Dance.... we are evolving? Learning to walk on our hind feet. We can talk or chat or discuss without pointing fingers, well most of the time! Besides, were not here to hurt people or act superior . We can be good when we want! LOL!!!!!!!
And Dance... you afraid? Not! RALMAO!
coffeebean53 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Linda let's see you walk on your hind feet after getting into Point's and Gem's shine. I'll meet you at the still. LOL
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Am I hearing ,,, road trip...? Anyone else? I got shotgun!
dancegypsy67 2 years, 2 months ago said:
LOL
You should hear me yell at the computer screen some nights.
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Not you Dance.. I have been know to flip mine off! Sorry people!
tillia 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
I agree we all post recipes that are not our own by all rights. They are from family and friends, and long ago clippings, which we have reworked, or not, because they are great as is. That is understandable, acceptable, and expected in this endeavor. We can not give credit when it is not known where to give it to. This was not the case.
Please note that my my original intent on this vent was to point out the blatent misususe of someone elses work w/i hours of publication. It was an exact copy of the page from the magazine, and it just irritated me because it was personal to the person who made the recipe. The mag included a bio of her, and the work she did to make the recipe right.
This was merely directed at the person on this site, who picked someting out of of national mag, found it on online and made it her own, on the same day of distribution. She didn't even have time to cook it. She just wanted to post here.
Footnote: What drew me to the recipe in the first place was that it sounded fantasic, and I first saw it in the mag. I still am going to make it.
coffeebean53 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Tillia we all understand your point of view, however, you can only stir the pot so many times and let it simmer so long before it's time to take the pot off the stove so as not to overcook the dish.
Can we put this topic to rest for awhile. Going back to page 6 in this group there have been as many threads on this topic as there are pages. LOL Talk about duplicate recipes. LOL
eleven 2 years, 2 months ago said:
why are we here?
Sharing recipes does not have to mean sharing your own personal inventions every single time you post...obviously we are here to share ANY recipe that we have tried and liked enough to recommend to others. Giving credit? Well, if you can do, and if you can't, try not to worry about it. It's all about the food, isn't it? And the sharing? To me, someone who is here looking for a recipe is simply that....looking for a recipe. The regulars here make sure there are plenty of those on hand, be it first-hand, second-hand, or whatever. That's the main thing. Let's leave all the legalities where they belong: in the Court system! Any food police that have the time and energy to trace down someone's IP address, oh for heaven's sake!! That's just ridiculous.
BTW, I just encountered a GroupRecipes member's post at Chowhound, and thought that was pretty neat that we can trace each other around the internet if we keep the same user names. ;-)
lollya 2 years, 2 months ago said:
ooooh was it me?
heh. i love chow.
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Hummmmmm chow.... It was suggested to me by a member here that I might be happier there at chow... or one of the other sites.. Dang, I did not know what chow was.. gonna have to check it out!!! LOL Amazing how some think this is their own private site to rule as they wish! I feel the love!!! LOL
tnacndn 2 years, 2 months ago said:
Chowhound
OK Eleven and Lollya, ya'll have let the cat out of the bag.....What is Chowhound??? :o0
tnacndn 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
I meant :o)
lollya 2 years, 2 months ago said:
chowhound
chowhound is just another tool in the land of noshing sites.
it's worth a check-out. it is different than group recipes - i love both sites for different reasons - but i post my recipes here because the system is well-rounded. kris has done a great job.
chefjeb 2 years, 2 months ago said:
july 2007 better homes & gardens
There are 10 recipes (and i quit counting) from the july 2007 better homes and gardens that were posted the day the magazine arrived. and photos also and no credit. LIke Cowboy ribeyes and ssummer salsa. Page 228. Like Smotherd Steak? Page 226. Like huli-huli pork? page 226. Like smoked salmon? page 230. Like GEne Mattiuzzo's mushroom chicken? Page 230. and on and on and on. Makes me wonder about the other recipes. Folks, that many from one edition should raise some eyebrows.
coffeebean53 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Chefjeb, Then quit counting. I did. I found that all the quibbling had my priorities turned around. Instead of coming in here to look for great tasting recipes for my family, I was looking at recipes to see if they had been copied from the latest newsletter in my mail box. Also I was checking the newsletters not for something for my family but for something that might have been copied here on this site. THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS!!!!
elle 2 years, 2 months ago said:
coffeebean!
You are right on the money. Isn't life too short to worry about who is posting what? Good Lord. If all I did was sit around nit-picking through every recipe to see if I could find it posted or published somewhere else, at the end of the day what would I have to show for it? NOTHING. Not a damned thing. Except a stiff neck and a cranky disposition.
Seriously, life is too short to waste time being so petty. Go out and do something fun! Enjoy the sun, take a walk, read a book, cook something delicious for the people you love. Life is over too quickly, folks.
linebb956 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
You have to see the good side of all this as there is nothing we can do but piss everyone off by arguing about it. BUT... THE GOOD SIDE .... IS..... DRUM ROLL PLEASE!!! We don't have to go out and buy the magazine. If you know someone is doing this thank them for saving you money! Not saying this to be a smart ass but ENOUGH... I know who some are and I have quit going to their page... simple!
borinda 2 years, 2 months ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
How about a simple referral to Epicurious.com for Bon Appetit, Gourmet, and Wine and Food?
chefjeb 2 years, 2 months ago said:
excuse me!
Somebody taking a nationally published magazine supported by advertising and subscription revenue and posting the recipes as soon as the magazine is posted and taking credit for the recipes? What does this say about this site?And the people who are posting ? At least give the magazine credit for the recipe. Not the poster. Kris=-- you have a problem. These recipes were posted exactly. Down to the detail and the copyrighted pictures.
lollya 2 years, 2 months ago said:
holy mother of mary.
please please please cool it with the whole holier-than-thou crap.
it's stuff like this that makes me want to leave. and i try to ignore it the best i can.
lollya 2 years, 2 months ago said:
oh joy!
never fear friends who messaged me - thank you. i was not threatening to leave - others have done that and i disagreed with that too i was just ticked off. take me for my words, lightly....i'm just tired. i couldn't sleep last night. it hit me at a sore spot. i'm just so tired of trying to talk to people only to have to see that it's never going to end. thing is - i agree with jeb on the stance of not giving credit where it's due - but damn delilah, i can't handle seeing it never end. we can't control others is what i'm dying to say - but then just realize i can't control other's anger or not being able to let er' buck. it's not right that people do it, but it isn't really wrong either. it's not malicious. cripes, we're just human. and this is just a recipe site.
i just wish that this thread was more about how to help a beta site grow into a loving and supportive community (that's the whole web designer in me though - i just got done starting a community online for a client) so this kinda eats at me. makes me feel sad when i think of what it's like to be on the creative side of this project and to see all the bickering and bitching.
jeb, i didn't mean it to come off as a personal attack - i just posted last and unfortunately it came right after yours. i also didn't explain my irritations. it was a general comment. course once the ol' head cooled i couldn't' edit it to make it better.
my bad.
but can we please please please just let them deal with it the way they see fit? it's THEIR site and they are aware of this. let it go.
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Hats off to lollya... I wish it would happen. I also agree about the giving credit... BUT... you can talk this till your blue in the face... make lots of people angry or ..... LET IT GO...
krumkake 2 years, 1 month ago said:
Vent..Copying Recipes
No comment - does that help? Thought you all needed a laugh after I read through this thread!!!!!
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
BRAHAHAHA....
eleven 2 years, 1 month ago said:
yep, it was you, lollya
I like it too. I joined. But I like this site better, the atmosphere is more suitable to my taste as a place to come to every day instead of just now and then. There are so many recipe sites, it would actually be a miracle if there weren't repeats and reprints of recipes. I just think it's kinda silly to waste precious time worrying about what is surely a harmless activity on the part of those who more than likely only want to share recipes that they have tried and liked, no matter where they came from. But then I don't have a lot of time to waste, so arguments like this frustrate me.
lollya 2 years, 1 month ago said:
smooch
thanks for dealing with inability to deal.
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said:
Amazing... what you find when you read!
I just noticed this at bottom of every page... I had never been there.. Until today...
I would think this settles all on copied recipes... if we follow the terms. ? Now if this is the case.... I think that all of us are quilty... I know I am.
COPIED FROM TERMS PAGE: here on Grouprecipes...
By posting or submitting any material (including, without limitation to, recipes, reviews, comments, photos and videos) to us through the Site, you are representing the following: (i) you are the owner of said material, or are making your submission or posting with the express consent of the owner of said material; and (ii) you are thirteen (13) years of age or older. Furthermore, when you submit or post any material, you are granting us, a royalty-free, unrestricted, irrevocable, non-exclusive, worldwide license to use, modify, copy, transmit, delete, profit from in such ways as, but not limited to, sale or display, create derivative works from, distribute, and/or publicly perform or display such material, in whole or in part, in any manner or medium, now known or hereafter developed, for any purpose, in perpetuity. The foregoing permission shall include the right to utilize any proprietary rights in such posting or submission, including, but not limited to, rights under copyright, trademark, or patent laws under any relevant jurisdiction.
If you are a copyright or trademark owner who believes your copyrighted or trademarked material has been posted, reproduced or distributed via the Site in a way that constitutes copyright infringement, please inform us by electronic mail at grouprecipes [a-t] gmail.com.
pointsevenout 2 years, 1 month ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
That is legal speak in a CYA move designed to protect the owners of this site on event of a legal proceeding.
borinda 2 years, 1 month ago said:
the cited disclaimer
What it also says is that this isn't the venue to post another's recipes and represent them as your own - yes? That was and is my interpretation of that disclaimer.
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
READ!
you are the owner of said material, or are making your submission or posting with the express consent of the owner of said material
READ!
Furthermore, when you submit or post any material, you are granting us, a royalty-free, unrestricted, irrevocable, non-exclusive, worldwide license to use, modify, copy, transmit, delete, profit from in such ways as, but not limited to, sale or display, create derivative works from, distribute, and/or publicly perform or display such material, in whole or in part, in any manner or medium, now known or hereafter developed, for any purpose, in perpetuity.
IF THEY SO WANTED.... THEY CAN SELL THESE RECIPES OR MAKE A RECIPE BOOK!
I would think this is great UNTIL!
READ!
If you are a copyright or trademark owner who believes your copyrighted or trademarked material has been posted, reproduced or distributed via the Site in a way that constitutes copyright infringement, please inform us by electronic mail at grouprecipes [a-t] gmail.com.
NOW FOR ALL OF U WHO SAY IT WON'T HAPPEN.....
We put together a cookbook through our American Legion.... had it all printed... then we found out we had the emblem on there without permission... THEY MADE US RIP IT OUT ON ALL 1,500 COOKBOOKS. infringement of their emblem... EVEN THOUGH THE $ WAS BEING RAISED FOR VETS!
lollya 2 years, 1 month ago said:
well my biggest concern then is...
my recipe being used in something produced by someone else. which i kind of figured anyway from the start. really kind of makes me want to hold onto my recipes and discoveries.
eleven 2 years, 1 month ago said:
hmmm
that's truly food for thought. Dang. Why does every silver lining have that stupid gray cloud on the other side???
tinymango 2 years, 1 month ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
first of all, whoever said that this is simply jargon to save the website's butt in court, if need be, that is correct. if any legal loophole or technicality came up, this would keep them out of it. it's a longshot, and i think that everyone knows that.
if a recipe is published, there is an implied consent that it can be republished, as long as the *ENTIRE* work, as it was orginally printed in a unique compilation, is not, (in its entirety- can i stress this enough) republished. however, individual recipes cannot be housed under a copyright law. ingredient lists are not copyrighted. and most recipe indstructions are considered generic, rendering them copyright-less as well. nothing illegal is going on. please refer to the whole picture in my previous posts.
pointsevenout 2 years, 1 month ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
This is getting to be a temptest in a teacup. Anyone or any entity who feels the need to keep their recipes a secret will not publish the recipes. And if forced to publish the contents by some governmental regulation, can claim proprietary information rights so as to protect their market share. Have you noticed the ingredients list of most products on the store do not have the exact quantities listed? They may have to divulge the generic ingredients name but not in exact mixture. The valuable recipes are coveted and protected. They just don't leak out for public consumption, except for the possibility of sabogage. And then maybe were going to court and all of these disclaimers start doing their job. Then again you can't stop someone from reverse engineering a recipe and publishing it. Look at all the copycat recipes.
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Point is right .....
Kentucky Fried.... protected
Coke......................protected
BUSH BEANS......protected
Pepsi............. the list goes on.
What I don't understand is ... why we keep going over this. It's done. Some here have gone on others pages and left messages that someone else is a fraud... That must have made them feel good. We all knew, just never said. So this makes them the big man on campus now? My God.... get a life! fajlfjafjlaf;auowldsa.... I want to say so much more... but I think it falls on deaf ears!
eleven 2 years, 1 month ago said:
someone did what?
Some have posted messages on other's pages calling them frauds??? My lord. Let's get petty, why don't we. I agree, get a life!
Last word on subject. :-)
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
THANK YOU ELEVEN! I'm not friends with either partys... but ENOUGH.
bonzaichef 2 years, 1 month ago said:
It's the crime of the century!!
String em up the little blighters..!! Thousands are starving, the economic crisis in El Salvador is at an all time low, Flash floods in Africa & India, Ive got a spot on my arse the size of a Spanish onion...but no..someone copied a recipe & posted it here..It's outrageous, Im never gonna get a decent nights sleep again..Its a hideous crime...THE CRIME OF THE CENTURY..:-)) I do hope this clears this matter up for everyone..!!
elle 2 years, 1 month ago said:
bonzai--
That certainly puts things in perspective, doesn't it? I'll agree with giving credit where it's due, sure...but this petty crap is just too much.
Want people to stop coming to your site? What will do it, recipes posted from other sites? No! Constant,childish, petty bickering and "snitching." "Teacher--she did this! " "He did that!" "Look what SHE posted!" "I'm teeellllliinnnngggg!"
GOD, this is behavior that even my 4 year old knows is annoying as hell!
Some people need to grow up and find something more productive to do. Who in the world has time to pick through recipes to find out if they can find them somewhere else online, or in a magazine?
Like bonzai said, there's enough nasty crap going on in the real world, why do we need to constantly keep going back to this one thing?
lollya 2 years, 1 month ago said:
i heart bonzai and elle.
muah!
elle 2 years, 1 month ago said:
and you know what's even funnier?
I think people that post tons of recipes just to be in the popular categories must need some sort of validation in their lives. Whether they're ignored at home, don't have a lot of friends, suffer from depression--whatever the case may be. I feel sorry for them that an online community may be the only place they feel like they can belong and fit in.
But the people that follow them around and criticize and constantly harass and belittle these people by leaving nasty comments are even sadder. In my opinion they have no idea that they are just as bad. Does it really make you happy to make another human being absolutely miserable over some recipes? Really? I would certainly hope these chefs don't teach their children this behavior. What if your child was in trouble at school for making fun of an overweight child, or a kid that doesn't have brand name clothing? Would you give him/her a pat on the back and say "Atta boy! You made that kid miserable! Way to go!"
I hope you wouldn't. Look at what you're doing and see if you'd approve of your kids acting the same way.
borinda 2 years, 1 month ago said:
elle
well said and how perversely fascinating is all of this b-s? I am just incredulous.
elle 2 years, 1 month ago said:
borinda
I know--it's like the car accident that slows down traffic. You just can't help looking, even though you know it's gonna be messy.
borinda 2 years, 1 month ago said:
elle
I am thinking about the "trainwrecks" of the news currently, why my daughter and I crack up over Perezhilton.com, and agree -- it's all tacky as can be but there just is that prurient little snoop inside making me peek!
thepiggs 2 years, 1 month ago said:
Elle
I think you've hit the nail on the head! This situation looks much like the bully on the playground situation. The bully thinks he can do anything and get away with it, leaving the victim in the dust.
Maybe the bully should be expelled and maybe the playground will become peaceful again. Our community playground is for everyone, not those who think they are the elite. No class system here...
Might makes right just isn't cutting it on here so we need to respect the others and leave them alone if their view are not our own, as we might be the person who is WRONG. Bug-her-off and leave people alone!
Tired of arrogant food snobs on here.
elle 2 years, 1 month ago said:
borinda--
We're only human, we can't help looking, lol.
elle 2 years, 1 month ago said:
piggs--
It is bullying. I didn't know we had Recipe Police here who could run someone out of town if they don't like what's posted. The lack of respect and tact is appalling. If a recipe is crap, rate it low, comment on why it didn't work, and be done with it. But to constantly harass and bully someone is even worse. And to try to recruit other people to leave bad comments? That shocks me more than anything else. I just don't get it.
borinda 2 years, 1 month ago said:
OK -- better idea
Let's read tmz.com and perezhilton.com and just be tacky and not cranky. I can be remarkably happy being shallow and prurient when it's utterly impersonal.
Anyone care to dive into those murky waters, too? And most importantly, who's bringing the wine?
thepiggs 2 years, 1 month ago said:
What does this say about this site?
Someone asked this question....the same person who has endorsed going to posters' pages and flaming them for using published recipes.
What I would say is this...it might not be the best thing to do but don't think for a moment that this is the only site with this problem. Others have found "borrowed" recipes at other sites so we aren't the only one.
This person wants some of US to leave if we're not happy with this site but since this person seems to be the one who appears to be the most outraged with, it then maybe IT should be the one finding a new home for arrogant posts and cob waddling.
Just leave the people alone. It's their site too, as this isn't an exclusive know-it-all chef's club. They haven't killed anyone or stolen national treasures, they've posted good recipes and that's it. At least their recipes are for delicious dishes that most of us would love to make, unlike several some recipes on here.
Just give it a rest, chill and call the possee off.
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
I agree... I have rated some of those recipes in question! Made them and they were great.. I could care less where they came from. Like I have stated before.. I found a couple of mine on other sites... I did not know... beat me!
I put recipes on here from cookbooks... and will do so again. If someone does not like it--------------------- don't look! I have too many friends on here to worry about the little people who "WITCH" all the time. The good here is far better than the bad. I think enough have gathered here to get the point across to these people... STOP!
At first I was upset that it was being done... then I saw that it really did no harm and was more of a convience for all here.. I guess you live and learn... Sometimes you just have to "go with the flow"!
tnacndn 2 years, 1 month ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Well I guessdit's about time I put my two cents in. I'm going to post what I want when I want and give credit when credit is due. If no one wants to see the recipe, or if no one wants to make my recipe....I really don't give a flying flip, it won't make me loose a wink of sleep. I liked it or liked the way it sounded so I posted it. who ever doesn't like it .... I am just going to say...AGAIN....just give a click and go else where to thousands more recipes that you might like.
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
tnacndn.... AMEN... I totaly agree... UNLESS... U post Brussle sprouts and I won't like them! HAHAHAHAHA...
zena824 2 years, 1 month ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
tnacndn........Im with you too.... I dont give a flying flip either....somene has been giving my recipes 1's too....but I dont care.... doesnt bother me in the least....People can *witch* all they want about how simple a recipe is...doesnt matter to me ....
elle 2 years, 1 month ago said:
zena
It's just so unbelievable to me (though I know it's true) that adults do this sort of elementary school behavior.
You know the kind--"I'm mad at her/him, so you guys have to be, too, and we'll get together and pick on them."
It blows my mind, and I'd hope that most sane adults would've left this sort of behavior back in elementary school. Bullying sucks, no matter what age you are.
crystalwaters 2 years, 1 month ago said:
Me Too
I've also had some of my recipes downgraded from 5 forks to 1. Am I getting grey hair over it? Nah. Couldn't give a flying fish, to be honest. Grade school behavious exists throughout our lives. Whether we choose to acknowledge it or not speaks volumes not only about the character of those behind such behaviour, but also about our own. Shall we put this dog to sleep already, then? I think we've all wasted enough time on this subject. On to bigger and better things, like SHARING, CARING and MUTUAL SUPPORT. And cooking too, of course lol! :-)
zena824 2 years, 1 month ago said:
Elle
Elle... I totally agree with you too.....This totally blows my mind as well....People getting mad because some put in more recipes than others.... or they dont put in the type of recipes that they dont like to eat....or they copy recipes.... Life is too short to worry about crap like this....I dont like bringing this up but i will.... I came to this place because another foodie told me it would be a good place to come as my son was leaving for Iraq... a place to keep me busy.... have fun... meet new friends...and most of all to keep my mind off of my son.... and I was so so happy I had found such a place to go.... I wasnt here 3 weeks until I got lamblasted for trying to race with the top foodie here...
which I wasnt trying to do.... i was just trying to keep my mind occupied.... none of us know what goes on in other peoples lives or why they come here to post recipes...
come on people get a grip......there are more import things to *witch* about... I dont mean to offend.....
krumkake 2 years, 1 month ago said:
Zena (or anyone else who cares)
I'm back from vacation, and of course I had to come here to see what the latest was. I am glad to see that it appears this vent is fading out...it's LONG OVERDUE! As I've told many of you already, I came here to find recipes, share what I had, and talk to people who share my same passion for anything to do with the kitchen. As Borinda said, these threads are like a train wreck and I keep coming here to see what's going on, mainly out of curiousity, but also because I don't want to see someone leave this site over such nonsense. I am happy to see that this issue is finally becoming less "potent" (as happens to most threads once everyone has had a chance to vent, rant, praise, condemn, joke or condone). With nothing left to be said, it feels good to say "Goodbye, copying vent!"
linebb956 2 years, 1 month ago said:
Krumkake...
Welcome back!
borinda 2 years, 1 month ago said:
hey Krummie -- you've been missed. .
Can't wait to hear about the great vacation.
;-)
krumkake 2 years, 1 month ago said:
Thanks!
Thanks, Borinda and Linebb - it's good to be back in the GREAT United States of America!!!!!! The first thing Erin and I did was go to Wendy's and buy a 32 ounce diet coke for $1.89 - as Erin said "Just because we CAN", after a week of paying $4 to $5 for a 7ounce mini-bottle of Cola Light! Ahhhhh - there's no place like home...
zena824 2 years, 1 month ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Krum.... I remember that too from when I went to Germany last year....I couldnt wait to get home to have a coke with some ice in it.......
thepiggs 2 years, 1 month ago said:
Coke, Ice
Oh yes! I was just having a discussion with some friends in a chat group about NO ice in England and getting one cube when I asked for Ice in my COKE! Can't drink Coke without lots of ICE! They would have to live in the MIdwest or South to appreciate the need for ICE! LOL
krumkake 2 years, 1 month ago said:
Coke, Ice
Yeah, I guess since they charge $4 for a 7 ounce bottle of still water where we were, they figure their ice cubes are worth about a buck a piece!!!! Still a wonderful place to visit, but the pocketbook shock can be painful...
borinda 2 years, 1 month ago said:
Exchange rate
Funny that's what you choose to share with us is how weak the dollar is. In Ireland this June each coffee from Starbucks or local coffee shops was costly and oh, the price of meals. It's just our pathetic position in the international exchange rate situation. Friends are coming from overseas to visit and shop here soon to take advantage of US 'bargains." Not bargains to us but we're not shopping with their currency. If I could only figure out some method to work that system... hmmm....
PS they were generous with the ice in Ireland. :-)
zena824 2 years, 1 month ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
I found lots of bargins in Italy....in the Factories where they make the dishes...and alot of time they would give the Army buses the same rate as the dollar.... my problem was shipping all the stuff home....
keeperrox 2 years ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
I brought this up months ago and was scoffed at. I see nothing has changed. :(
crystalwaters 2 years ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
I don't see how you can possibly stop people from posting recipes copied from other sources ... keeperrox, do you have any suggestions on that front, or are you just venting?
linebb956 2 years ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Mercy... here we go again!
Well for the past few days I have been busy posting recipes from the
McCalls Recipe Card Collections, vintage... 1970's. Now I hope there is not a problem with this. I stated months ago I had these and the books and people requested the recipes on here. I don't think you will find them laying around every where.. and if they are on the net in a diffrent area.. well they prob have the same collection as I do.
Before.. you post a scone... my God by the end of the week everyone is posting the same thing... We need to dig deep into our hordes... Check out Grannys recipes.. bring them out in the light.. What's old to them, is new to lots of us! Or brings back great memories...
Amen... I'm done now...
Linda
borinda 2 years ago said:
suggestion:
Perhaps we might move on already? It would be euthanasia of a talked out topic.
Has it not occurred to the complainers that it's so useless to complain in life unless you have a valid and reasonable fix for the situation? OK, we'd like anyone who posts a recipe from a source other than "Mom" or their imagination to credit it. Most of us seem really in tune with that one and do it. The big however, though, is that we do not control others, we;re here to enjoy this, and the whining just has gotten so ___ old.
MOVE ON< GET OVER IT< AND BE APPRECIATIVE THAT YOU HAVE THIS TERRIFIC SITE!!!
Linda, I'm coming over, I refuse to even check out this thread again in case it's gotten funny again.
linebb956 2 years ago said:
Borinda
borinda... does that mean to visit.. or a DRIVE BY? All the whining chaps my bunns! I can be funny but sometimes it is not appreciated! LOL
Borinda... it is on a timed schedule... I swear... about every 2 weeks this floats to the top...
My complaint is.... want to hear it? Let me know!
Linda
linebb956 2 years ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
I'm waiting
keeperrox 2 years ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
"keeperrox, do you have any suggestions on that front, or are you just venting?"
Yes, I do have a suggestion, which I have posted before:
Have a "Report this Recipe" button. If the recipe was copied without credit, and a link is provided to the original recipe by the reporter, the recipe gets deleted.
elle 2 years ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
The only thing dying a slow death is the enjoyment I used to get coming to this site. The petty nitpicking and bringing old threads to the top is getting so old, so fast.
tnacndn 2 years ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
I agree with Elle, The petty nitpicking and bringing old threads to the top is getting so old, so fast I'm going to say my fav line 1 more time and post directions for those who seem to not understand how to do it.. If you see a recipe that has been copied and you don't like....or....you see a recipe that doesn't fit into the foods you like...........there is this new invention...it is called a MOUSE. On the left side of this Mouse is a little button that can be pressed and it makes a "clicking" sound when it is clicked.......CLICK THE DAGGUM THING AND TAKE YOURSELF TO ANOTHER RECIPE FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
minkie 2 years ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Tnacndn and Elle - Good grief, I couldn't agree more! I remember a quite popular Chef who once claimed, "There ARE no new recipes, just revised recipes" and I tend to agree with that quite a bit. Get over it, hit the back button. I hit the back buttom much more frequently than the "save" button, lol.
zena824 2 years ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Totally agree with Elle and Tnacndn.......life's too short..
coffeebean53 2 years ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz huh????
julesong 2 years ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
"linebb956 1 month, 1 week ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Question here.... I have recipes I have posted on here that were clipped YEARS AGO, out of a magazine... no note saying which magazine.. who do I credit? I have recipes I have posted that were copied from a cookbook YEARS AGO... again... no note saying which... It was just something that caught my eye at the time... And that was WAY before internet! Who do I credit? I have found some on these SAME recipes on other sites.... so I guess they had done the same... So how do you solve that one? Throw them away because I can not tell you who's who? Or share? "
It's so simple to post recipes without violating copyright. The ingredients themselves are no problem. All you have to do is write the description in your own words. Then I rewrite the directions in my own words, as well - besides, there are almost always things I want to say about how I fixed it, myself, that I add in. And I usually re-title the recipe to something I like better.
Once those things are done - and they're so simple to do - you're not going to violate copyright by posting the recipe.
One last thing... I always credit where the recipe came from, if I know. Always. I use "this recipe adapted from" and so on. If you don't know where it's from (as in the unknown newspaper or magazine clipping), but you've rewritten the recipe description, directions, and title... no violation.
linebb956 2 years ago said:
Julesong...
On my comment:
Question here.... I have recipes I have posted on here that were clipped YEARS AGO, out of a magazine... no note saying which magazine.. who do I credit? I have recipes I have posted that were copied from a cookbook YEARS AGO... again... no note saying which... It was just something that caught my eye at the time... And that was WAY before Internet! Who do I credit? I have found some on these SAME recipes on other sites.... so I guess they had done the same... So how do you solve that one? Throw them away because I can not tell you who's who? Or share?
Did I say that correctly? Get the idea? Sometimes it really does not matter!
I was stating that the recipes were old... Why would I want to change the instructions? I usually put the original, and then where I change it. I really don't like using current recipes from sites on the net... unless I change them COMPLETELY, meaning I use the idea of their recipe and change it including the ingredients. We all can go to other sites and copy current... we all can buy current cookbooks. I have a couple patti LaBelle cookbooks.. why waste the space on this site? You can get them else where.
My question was concerning the people on here, not the copyrights, these books are a long time out of print. I am concerned with getting along with people here, my friends. And setting and example for newcomers to this site..
Now this is just my opinion I am just saying here...
borinda 2 years ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
And now one and all... move on and get a life. Surely I know a number of us are thinking "they shoot horses, don't they?" re. this over-analyzed and rationalized and done to burning cinders discussion. What the devil happened to common sense and all other such good things?
linebb956 2 years ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
Thank U Borinda... I agree... I was only explaining my quote FROM OVER A MONTH ago... ARG! Good God, let the horse die.. everyone is going to do what they want anyway! Which they should.. I just wanted to state how I felt. Some need to read all the threads to see just how far these go back... sometimes I think BC! AND not just in this group... I guess if you don't get the answer you want you state it in another!
Check out the Thanksgiving group.... I want to know what your having on your table this year....
Trying to turn the conversation here guys!
julesong 2 years ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
All I was doing was letting folks know how they can post their favorite recipes without violating copyright. I'd say that's pretty constructive, myself. :)
julesong 2 years ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
PS: Linebb956, sorry I quoted your message. Was just trying to be clear that people really *could* post recipes where they didn't know the source without violating copyright. Wasn't trying to say anything against your point.
linebb956 2 years ago said:
RE: Vent..Copying Recipes
I swear... somethings just won't die... I could care less ... enough... what does it take? The freakin horse is dead... can't you smell it? EVERYONE is tired of it... STOP! I could go on but... not wasting my time...